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title: "Podcast Interview Alert: “Move Fast and Break Things” is a terrible way to be anti-racist"
description: Agilian's CEO Jamey Harvey discusses how to build an anti-racist, inclusive culture on The Karmic Capitalist. Hear how intentional hiring and equity drive real change.
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# [Podcast Interview Alert: “Move Fast and Break Things” is a terrible way to be anti-racist](https://agilian.com/resources/videos/moving-fast-and-breaking-things-is-a-terrible-way-to-be-anti-racist-tkthm)

 Written by [Jamey Harvey](https://agilian.com/resources/author/jamey-harveygmail-com) | Sep 8, 2023 2:30:00 PM

The culture here at Agilian is unique, intentional, and something we’re continuously improving. In this podcast episode of Karmic Capitalist our VP of Culture Javaughn Spencer, CEO Jamey Harvey, and host and Beyond the Quarter Founder Iyas really dig into what inclusive means, and what it takes to build and grow an anti-racist, inclusive culture.

The conversation covers Agilian’s human-centered hiring process, how diversity makes our teams stronger, real talk about addressing inequities in pay, and other topics around institutionalizing the Agilian culture and the importance of diverse voices. It’s worth a listen: you’ll come out the other side with a much better understanding not just of what our culture is, but also of the way Agilian decides on, achieves, and continuously improves it.

 

 

Title card for the Karmic Capitalist podcast episode featuring Javaughn Spencer and Jamey Harvey, “‘Move Fast and Break Things’ is a terrible way to be an anti-racist.”

 

[Karmic Capitalist - businesses with purpose: "Move Fast and Break Things" is a terrible way to be anti-racist - Jamey Harvey and Javaughn Spencer of Agilian on Apple Podcasts](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/move-fast-and-break-things-is-a-terrible-way-to-be/id1561465272?i=1000623335811)

[Karmic Capitalist - businesses with purpose: "Move Fast and Break Things" is a terrible way to be anti-racist - Jamey Harvey and Javaughn Spencer of Agilian on Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/episode/3fLk8Bqy3XLkKSceX5yI4h?si=803a855d07264d2f)

[Karmic Capitalist - businesses with purpose - "Move Fast and Break Things" is a terrible way to be anti-racist - Jamey Harvey and Javaughn Spencer of Agilian (google.com)](https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5idXp6c3Byb3V0LmNvbS8xNzI2OTg5LnJzcw/episode/QnV6enNwcm91dC0xMzM0NDI4MQ?sa=X&ved=0CAUQkfYCahcKEwjotP-SmoWBAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ)

 

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